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True Tales of Conversational Vengeance

By Matt Selman on September 8, 2009

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A few years ago, after a long day spent thinking of new nouns for Homer to say after “Mmm…”, my wife dragged me to the screening of a film directed by a friend. The film was fine. The rough part was the reception.

A room full of strangers is not my favorite social scenario. I prefer a room full of people who already think I’m great. My wife, however, enjoys new people, and she was soon making friends who we would never see again. Naturally she insisted on introducing me to one of them.

Alright, I thought. A New Person. No problem. I’m no misanthrope. Just pretend to be a nomal person who’s good at small talk: look people in the eye. Listen to what they have to say. Don’t just talk about yourself. Ask questions that show you’ve been listening. Laugh even if they aren’t funny. Don’t be a misanthrope.

My New Person looked like a blond version of the actor who played Young Sherlock Holmes in Young Sherlock Holmes. So  I attempted conversation with Blond Young Sherlock Holmes.

BLOND YOUNG SHERLOCK HOLMES: So, what do you do?
ME: I’m a TV writer.
BYSH: (IMMEDIATELY) I don’t watch TV. Really, I don’t even own a TV.

Okay, look, I’m fine with people never watching TV. They’re lying, but I understand. I don’t watch that much TV myself. But why do people at parties feel such smug delight at telling you (okay, me), without hesitation, that they don’t watch TV? If you met a dentist at a party, would you announce that you don’t brush your teeth? Would you tell a structural engineer that you don’t ride in elevators?

I get it. The TV consciencious objector is just establishing intellectual superiority over my highly paid dumb thing. Yeah, I’m no stranger to “I don’t watch TV.” But this time, as an experiment, I swallowed my annoyance.

ME: Yeah, TV is lame. Um, what do you do?
BYSH: I’m a post-doctoral student in English.

(Notice here that I did not say back to him, “I don’t read books in English. Really, I don’t even own a dictionary.”)

ME: Awesome. That’s so cool. What do you, I don’t know, study?
BYSH: Well, I just finished writing a book on Thomas Pynchon.

Blond Young Sherlock Holmes turned out to be a Pynchon nut. Loves Pynchon. He’s obsessed with him. And, in his obsession, I saw an opportunity for revenge on “I don’t watch TV” that would make me the Jew-fro-ed Moriarty to his Blond Young Sherlock Holmes. But first, I had to play dumb, reel him in a little.

ME: You wrote a book on Thomas Pynchon? Cool. Very cool. When does it come out?
BYSH: Well, it’s really an academic book. You wouldn’t see it.
ME: Isn’t he like a big recluse or something?
BYSH: You could say that. I mailed my book to Thomas Pynchon himself. But he won’t read it. His publisher won’t even accept any writing based on his work.

Now, over the Reichenbach Falls.

ME: I talked to him on the phone today.
YBSH: Talked to who?
ME: Thomas Pynchon.
YBSH: WHAT!?!?
ME: Yeah, Pynchon LOVES The Simpsons. This is the second time he’s been on the show. I directed him over the phone from New York. He sounds like a New York Grampa. Gruff but sweet. Good guy.

This had the benefit of being true. I had talked extensively to Thomas Pynchon that day. Not about anything substantial. Mostly about which word he should emphasize in the phase, “The Frying of Latke 49.” (It was “Latke.”) But it was a lot closer to America’s second most famous reclusive author (or second most reclusive famous author) than Sherlock was ever going to get. Vengeance.

After that, there was no going back to small talk.  YBSH drifted off to the cheese cubes to ponder the colossal injustices of the universe, and I was left to ponder my crime against casual conversation.

Why should YBSH feel bad that a TV-writing ignoramus had casually punned it up with the guy he spent the last 10 years obsessing over? That some cartoon goofball had traded jokes with The Pynch-dog (as I assume he’s called) shouldn’t affect his academic passion for the novelist’s work. But part of me did want the snob to suffer a little for his casual dismissal of my craft. And for that I’m not proud. But maybe now he’ll watch a little more TV.

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  1. Well played, Selman. Well played.

    Archie

    Sep. 8, 2009 08:10:am

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  2. This a pretty great story. I have lived in several different states and have never encountered a more “against TV” society than here in California. To me, it seems a little hypocritical considering that a lot of people here pay their bills, buy their food, cars, etc. from “working” on TV!!! I watch TV….. a lot! I allowed my son to watch TV with abandonment, heck I bought him a TV for his room! No harm done, he learned to read at 3 years old and hasn’t stopped yet…..he is now 38 years old (as of yesterday), he is a good person, hard-working, responsible, absolutely GREAT dad and husband/live-in (whatever!) to my daughter-in-law, reads gazillion books a year, etc. I now allow my granddaughter to watch TV (only Noggin though), she is 2 1/2 years old and we have great conversations about what is going on in her particular Noggin show, she asks questions, I explain and vice versa (hey, I’m a grandma and don’t always “get” these things so she has to explain to me).

    What was it that Charlton Hess said…..something about my “dead, cold hands”….that’s what I say about my TV!!!

    By the way, just in case I don’t happen to have time to read your column tomorrow…..have a GREAT birthday!!!

    Muchos hugs,

    Quiltmonger

    quiltmonger

    Sep. 8, 2009 08:45:am

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  3. So I wonder how anti-TV Pynchon fanboy felt that his latest novel is a pun on Miami Vice with a cover to match?

    Granted, there’s a lot of crap on tv, but that faux intellectual crap about not watching it at all is something that irks me. I don’t understand people who make it a point of pride to tell you that they’re deliberately shunning critically acclaimed shows with a large cultural impact like Lost, The Sopranos, Mad Men, The Wire, and (of course) Battlestar Galactica…..

    Kemper

    Sep. 8, 2009 09:33:am

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  4. Heh, that’s awesome. I always love to see people called on their pretentious bs. I also always assume they’re lying about not watching tv.

    meredith81

    Sep. 8, 2009 10:18:am

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  5. For a long time I was an “I don’t watch TV” guy. I found that I was less trying to convince others that I was a (pseudo) intellectual than I was trying to set myself up publicly as an Avoider of Distraction and Therefore a Hard Worker. By making it public, I forced myself to keep the TV off or risk losing my reputation. Now we watch a few shows, but they’re only the ones with Good Writing. And I still avoid the time-suck shows like BSG, Lost, and Heroes…

    Here in LA there’s a strange paradox between making entertainment and consuming it. If you are actively watching TV, internet, movies, it’s because you aren’t successful. If you’re working less than 18 hours a day, you’re considered a slacker, though work time includes “improving yourself” with Pilates or Pynchon. Entertainment people (especially working actors) are the most culturally ignorant folks on the planet. It’s one reason why the Industry favors young writers – because the older ones have no time/inclination to follow youth culture so hire others who are. Until they get too busy, that is, and fall behind.

    dennitzio

    Sep. 8, 2009 10:31:am

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  6. Matt, your story made my day. Thank you. BTW, I still ruminate on your years-ago post on personal libraries, and am in the process of rebuilding mine again.

    omahalawyer

    Sep. 8, 2009 11:06:am

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  7. You’re my hero! I can’t tell you how I often I hear that “I don’t watch TV line”—ugh!! So annoying. Thank you!

    missdivalicious

    Sep. 8, 2009 14:44:pm

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  8. I don’t watch TV.

    Lev Grossman

    Sep. 8, 2009 15:32:pm

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  9. Interesting that you differentiate between the shows with good writing and BSG/Lost. I can get pretty snobby about what shows I watch, and I like to snobbily point out that I only watch the shows with good writing… like BSG and Lost. Interesting… /strokebeard

    Dave

    Sep. 8, 2009 16:00:pm

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  10. Yargh… that was supposed to be a reply to dennitzio above.

    Dave

    Sep. 8, 2009 16:04:pm

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  11. I know how meeting new people feels. A major chore. Not to mention casual conversation can be a pain, especially if you’re trying to write it in a screenplay, as I’ve attempted.

    As far as I can see, YBSH deserved it. Way too much of a snob.

    No one avoids TV entirely……

    Well, I try to, most of the time,
    but I still follow the important shows (Lost and BSG naturally). And I pursue prime-time sunday cartoons with a passion, Simpsons or otherwise.

    You said Pynchon was the second most-reclusive american author. I’m assuming the first is John Swartzwelder.

    eduardojencarelli

    Sep. 8, 2009 16:33:pm

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  12. Your attempt at being a good conversationalist was genuine, and he deserves what he got. You are now my hero.

    PS. I’ll bet YBSH lost some sleep that night.

    doubleang

    Sep. 8, 2009 18:15:pm

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  13. The difference for me is that I can watch House or Grey’s Anatomy without wanting/needing to a) talk about it with someone else, b) look something up/get additional info from the web, or, frankly, c) think about it later. We just appreciate the writing & performances as they wash over us and then get on with our lives… 42 minutes, that’s all a show gets from me these days…

    dennitzio

    Sep. 9, 2009 00:43:am

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  14. your story is every forced small talker’s dream.
    im actually quite good at small talk, but i also do most of the talking so i wouldn’t have to listen

    Emma

    Sep. 9, 2009 01:44:am

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  15. But Lev, you iPhone, which is just the coward’s way out of watching TV. In any case, I’d be willing to bet that your Ronald Moores carry more (ha!) weight with your literary heroes than you might think. I guess what I’m saying is be careful making conversation with strangers at parties.

    anon76

    Sep. 9, 2009 03:10:am

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  16. [...] time.com blog posts, because I am a petty, ungenerous little man despised by my coworkers. But this Nerd World post by Matt Selman is pretty awesome: Okay, look, I'm fine with people never watching TV. They're lying, but I [...]

    TV Defeats Literary Criticism - Tuned In - TIME.com

    Sep. 9, 2009 14:36:pm

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  17. I don’t read blogs.

    Justin Fox

    Sep. 9, 2009 14:52:pm

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  18. Really, I don’t even own a blah.

    christjohnson

    Sep. 9, 2009 18:29:pm

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  20. I was at a Michael Moore reading hosted by Minnesota Public Radio a number of years ago when Moore mentioned some TV show.

    A smug moron in the audience actually HISSED, I guess because she’d never seen T.V. Nation and only heard of Moore when he became important enough to write a book.

    He stopped and said to her: “You in the Birkenstocks. You don’t like T.V.?”

    “I don’t watch T.V.,” she said self-righteously,

    “Really?” asked Moore. “Well, GOOD FOR YOU!” And he sneered.

    It was awesome, but this is even awesome-r.

    haddayr

    Sep. 10, 2009 15:29:pm

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  21. Reminds of when the poet Lucille Clifton visited my college for a week. In my creative writing class she was discussing one of her poems and offhandedly mentioned “And the concept of this poem occurred to me while I was watching an episode of Star Trek…”

    Considering the shocked looks on half the faces in the class, she paused and said she loved watching Star Trek: Next Gen. It’s a fun show and there’s no reason to not be grounded and like TV.

    Nice to see that true intellectuals are usually far from snobbish. It’s just those aspiring to be intellectuals that feel the need to be an elitist snob.

    kenmarable

    Sep. 10, 2009 15:49:pm

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  22. [...] John Scalzi, enjoy this viscerally satisfying tale of how Matt Selman, a writer for The Simpsons, encounters one of those people who is eager to tell [...]

  23. I don’t watch TV. Actually, I say so that I don’t confuse people trying to explain that I don’t have cable, but watch public television sometimes, and also watch DVDs of certain shows, none of which were on any time after I entered grade school. So I watch History Detectives, NOVA (scienceNOW too), the Muppet Show, Animaniacs, Pinky and the Brain, and MacGyver, as well as Star Trek fan collectives. That’s as far as it goes.

    tereglith

    Sep. 10, 2009 16:47:pm

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  24. My friend who “doesn’t watch TV” keeps me updated on Days of our Lives.

    LOVE this, Matt. Thank you!

    Denise

    Sep. 10, 2009 23:35:pm

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