Mayan Expert: <i>2012</i> Not Just Silly, But 

When it comes to “2012,” public opinion seems to range from "it's awful" to "not-so-bad" to "so-bad-it's-great." I consider myself a member of the latter group; 90 minutes of wall-to-wall Earth demolition can't be all bad. (Check out my interview with the master of disaster himself, director Roland Emmerich)

But there's one segment of the audience that has gone well beyond all this squabbling,  dubbing “2012” not just a failure, but a reckless and offensive one. They are some of the Mayan experts who have been called on to discuss the film's underlying assumption: That the world will self-destruct at the end of the Mayan calendar, on Dec. 21, 2012.

The day prior to the film's release, I sat down to talk with John Major Jenkins, a Mayan expert with loads of books under his belt. He blew apart the film's larger premise, dismissing the whole 2012 apocalypse as pure silliness.

To summarize our conversation: Jenkins says that in his decades of researching Mayan beliefs and studies, what he's found is that the Maya people were fascinated in celestial cycles, and that there is indeed a spectacular alignment to occur in 2012 that, even thousands of years ago, these astronomers could predict. “Even back then they could see this processional process, that the sun is always shifting and at some point it would line up with the bright band of the milky way,” Jenkins says. “This had a very powerful mythological meaning for them, since the sun was the great cosmic father and the Milky Way was the cosmic mother. So for these two to align, it was a big event.”

This notion of "alignment" is featured prominently in “2012." In fact, behind the opening credits we see planets lining up one by one. But Jenkins says that's about all the movie gets right. What it gets wrong:

- There is no evidence that the Maya thought the world would end in 2012. Unlike other religions, which believe strongly in a final day of reckoning, the Maya saw 2012 not as an ending, but as a new beginning. “They would have seen this as a great time of transformation and renewal, as a great union between their cosmic father and mother. Their emphasis would have been on transformation and renewal, they don't have anything like the Rapture in their teachings.”

- All that stuff about the sun getting more active, bombarding the Earth's crust? Not so much. “There's absolutely no indication that this alignment would do anything to the sun,” Jenkins says. “There are a couple books out there that are not very well researched that give that impression, but my initial reaction was that the filmmakers included all that because, from the very beginning, they wanted a doomsday thing.

- Galactic Alignment: wrong. Even when Woody Harrelson's cooky character tries to spell out the specifics of this grand 2012 galactic alignment, he gets it wrong. “They cut to a pictures he's made for only a second, but in that picture you can see they have the Milky Way in line with a few planets, and then the sun, and then more planets and the Earth. But the definition of galactic alignment doesn't involve all the planets, it's just about the Earth, the sun and the center of the Milky Way. So even in that moment they got it wrong.”

- Jenkins says the film does a better job when it comes to sentiment. “Part of the film's message is that it takes doomsday to save the American family, that when the going gets tough we can get together and awaken our humanity to get through the crisis that many feel is upon the modern world. Now awakening together so we can work to create a better world is the same message you find in the Mayan creation mythology.”

- But what ruined "2012" for Jenkins was to be found earlier in the film, in a cutaway moment that many viewers may not have even noticed. When things start falling apart in “2012,” we are given a quick glimpse of a news report on a television screen –of a report broadcast from Mayan ruins in South America, where a band of believers committed mass suicide. Jenkins says this was the moment that struck him not just as silly, but offensive. “It was what that scene insinuated – if you look at the actual bodies it wasn't like they were tie dye-wearing new age people, but indigenous Mayan people, and the insinuation was that the Maya would commit mass suicide,” he says .”It's so infuriating because the Maya people would be the last to give in to fear and violence. They would be the ones preparing the altars to do the ceremony, to help facilitate the birth of a new cycle with their prayers. They would be looking towards the future, not killing themselves. That's when you realize this is just Hollywood being Hollywood, they don't have a clue."

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  1. persianevo

    Nov. 19, 2009 19:31:pm

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  2. Well, at least they got the right indigenous group. For Hollywood, that's pretty good.

    Church

    Nov. 19, 2009 20:20:pm

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  3. I think there is absolutely no excuse for this bad joke of a movie. The plot, screenplay and the story background are miserably infantile, and direction is below any standard. It was one of the very few occasions in my life when I came out furious from a movie theater: furious and frustrated about 2 hours and 20 bucks lost completely in vain.

    seirios78

    Nov. 20, 2009 09:50:am

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  4. While I fully agree that the mass-suicide scene must be terribly offensive -- I've not seen the movie -- some of Mr. (Dr.?) Jenkins other complaints are a bit harsh, considering the movie was made as entertainment, not as a documentary. For example, the galactic alignment business would have an astronomer going through the roof, too -- but we have to look at this movie the same way we do, say, "Star Trek." Regarding that decades-running franchise, just recently, I read an article by a professional astronomer, and he said what I just did. He doesn't expect a true warp drive, universal interplanetary translator, etc. -- but said he loves the various "Star Trek" shows.

    Now, seirios78's complaint is an entirely different matter. Among a number of things, I'm a writer, and one fundamental principle of fiction is that if an author doesn't obtain a reader's willingness to suspend disbelief -- which the writer has to do through his art -- then he, the writer, as failed as an artist. The same is true of people making movies, though a director's task is arguably greater than a writer's is, at least in some ways; for instance, he isn't in sole control -- the actors hve a lot to do with that, as do the camera people, costumers, and so on.

    Perhaps far more serious is an recent article in the British newspaper "The Independent" [after seeing it in a lengthy Wikipedia entry on 2012] in which a NASA official is quoted thus: ""I've even had cases of teenagers writing to me saying they are contemplating suicide because they don't want to see the world end. I think when you lie on the internet and scare children in order to make a buck, that is ethically wrong." The URL for the story is below:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/relax-the-end-isnt-nigh-1804340.html

    The gentleman quoted is a distinguished astrobiologist in NASA's Astrobiology Institute is Dr. David Morrison. His complaint is considerably deeper than the taste I've given here. Dr. Morrison has held other senior positions with NASA, so he's not a scientist to take lightly. (Yes, I read up on him some before writing this part of my comment.)

    But even his complaint isn't with the *movie* -- it's with a fake website Sony set up they present as real, a move for purposes of virus marketing. Someone in the marketing department dropped the ball on this one -- big time.

    I bet it's going to be a HUGE hit. I'll probably see it myself, after having seen just a few days ago a fascinating hour-long show on Japan's NHK documentary about the making of the movie and learning that all the catastrophic elements are computer graphics. Besides, I know not to be terrified.

    Although, come to think of it, the other day a relatively large meteor estimated as being about 23 feet across did swing very near Earth (the third-closest approach of such a meteor or comet) -- and that's bound to be seized up those determined to scream, "We're doomed! We're doomed!"

    Mekhong Kurt

    Nov. 21, 2009 07:45:am

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  5. Since I mentioned being a writer then discovered some errors after I submitted my earlier comment, I should add I'm also a university instructor of writing, an editor, a webmaster -- and a guy whose computer has been giving me fits not accurately uploading what I've written. And I did proofread my comment *before* hitting the submit button.

    Mekhong Kurt

    Nov. 21, 2009 07:50:am

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  6. For information on the solar alignment, 2012 and the most information on the Mayans in one place, visit the website: http://MayanArchaeology.tripod.com
    -The author

    mayanexpert

    Dec. 29, 2009 16:27:pm

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  7. [...] You get the picture. As a result, there’s been no shortage of talk lately about possible unrest, especially in the form of armed rebel groups, erupting south of the border in 2010. But is there really a basis for concern? None as apparent as the popular grievances that existed in 1809 or 1909. But this is still Mexico; and while Spanish colonizers no longer oppress the country, and dictators like Porfirio Diaz aren’t brutalizing campesinos, the country nonetheless is reeling from the worst criminal violence in its history and one of its hardest economic slumps. “We are very near a social crisis,” JosÉ Narro, the director of the National Autonomous University of Mexico (UNAM) in Mexico City, said recently. “The conditions are there.” (Will the world end in 2012? What the Mayan prophecy is and how the movies see it.) [...]

    Why Mexicans Are Wary of 2010

    Dec. 31, 2009 14:10:pm

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  8. Guys... it is just a movie.

    grapplers4

    Dec. 31, 2009 15:05:pm

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  9. I agree with grapplers4 it is just a movie and for entertainment, don't take peoples IMAGINATION so seriously

    jedediahp

    Dec. 31, 2009 16:36:pm

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  10. [...] You get the picture. As a result, there’s been no shortage of talk lately about possible unrest, especially in the form of armed rebel groups, erupting south of the border in 2010. But is there really a basis for concern? None as apparent as the popular grievances that existed in 1809 or 1909. But this is still Mexico; and while Spanish colonizers no longer oppress the country, and dictators like Porfirio Diaz aren’t brutalizing campesinos, the country nonetheless is reeling from the worst criminal violence in its history and one of its hardest economic slumps. “We are very near a social crisis,” JosÉ Narro, the director of the National Autonomous University of Mexico (UNAM) in Mexico City, said recently. “The conditions are there.” (Will the world end in 2012? What the Mayan prophecy is and how the movies see it.) [...]

  11. ya but isnt it possible though they dont talk about doomsday {the mayans} when they talk about a new beginning that the new beginning happens cause 90 percent of the people on earth are wiped out? as a matter of fact there isnt no way to prove or disprove either theory. i mean come on your trying to razionalize the fact that the most advanced civilization of people at that time that mysteriously vanished could just look at the stars and calculate a planetary alignment down to the precise day and just stop on that day for no reason???? y not continue the calender??? a new beginning right??? well i guess you and me and everyone else will see in 2012 12 21 wont we??? and remember opinions are like ass holes everyone has one

    anthonyray3063

    Dec. 31, 2009 20:52:pm

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  12. @grapplers4, jedediahp: Yes, it's just a movie - but the real bad thing is people believe that 2012 is going to be the end in real life too. And then they use the movie as a proof - that's what makes the whole thing stupid.

    veutzu

    Dec. 31, 2009 23:38:pm

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  13. It is obvious to me that when one percent of the world's bankers, politicians, Illuminati, own 40% of the world's wealth, by nefarious means of issuing phony paper money not backed by gold or silver, in order to cause at the banker's behest: inflation, deflation, recession, depression, overt and covert taxation, impoverishing level taxation to the level of enslavement.

    Then we have chem trail poisoning our air with virus, subsequent fatal soon to be mandatory fatal vaccination which will be worse than the H1N1 virus, fluoride and chlorine poisoning our water, our foods being GMO derived after having been deprived of all nutrition by DNA recombination, high refinement and processing, freezing and high heat, to leave us no nutrients in our foods to build a health cell, let alone an organ or god forbid a healthy body, then by Codex Alimentarius, a food law, deprived of all vitamins by the World Trade Orginization or WTO, even as Climategate would have deprived us Americans and all others of national sovereignty, so that the globalists, socialists, and bankers could rob us of our freedoms, civil liberties, and all rights guaranteed by the US Constitution and Bill of Rights. They would again resort to excessive taxation for energy, climate, carbon taxes, derivatives that put us in this economic fiasco in the first place, which are basically unregulated, profiteering only the Banksters and Stock Market crowd types, in order to form their globalistic New World Order.

    It is high time that we the lower-classed, impoverished, the overwhelming multitudes, take back the powers the Federalists have stolen from us, who have usurped our State and individual sovereignty from us, and put them out of office and liberate the capital and goods they have stolen from us in many Machiavellian or even Luciferian ways, btw, the Luceferian Trust, now called Lucis Trust by Alice Bailey a theosophist, has always had an office located in the UN, Satan keeps his control close to him and his.

    So it is no wonder, that we the Godly poor, who have no one to trust in, but the God of Heaven, as the rich put their faith in the riches they have stolen from us as described above, that we should want a Day of Reckoning, to regain our former God-given rights, freedoms, and liberties, guaranteed by the US Constitution and Bill of Rights.

    The Mexicans are no different than us, but their may be more of them than us, as they even recover the SW US that we stole from them by means of force of arms and invasion. The SW US will indeed go back to them sooner or later, by high birth rates, by illegal immigration and/or by force, since the US does not defend its borders, in order to rob normal US citizens of their high wages and benefits by supplanting them with impoverished Mexican peasants to profligately profit the rich corporations and banksters even more.

    It it time to send these robbers, thieves, scoundrels, murderers, and conspirers to court and jail for treason against the US Constitution and Bill of Rights.

    davidharvey13th

    Jan. 1, 2010 10:09:am

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  14. ^Dale Gribble is in the house.

    kazdykobieta

    Jan. 1, 2010 13:58:pm

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  15. [...] You get the picture. As a result, there’s been no shortage of talk lately about possible unrest, especially in the form of armed rebel groups, erupting south of the border in 2010. But is there really a basis for concern? None as apparent as the popular grievances that existed in 1809 or 1909. But this is still Mexico; and while Spanish colonizers no longer oppress the country, and dictators like Porfirio Diaz aren’t brutalizing campesinos, the country nonetheless is reeling from the worst criminal violence in its history and one of its hardest economic slumps. “We are very near a social crisis,” JosÉ Narro, the director of the National Autonomous University of Mexico (UNAM) in Mexico City, said recently. “The conditions are there.” (Will the world end in 2012? What the Mayan prophecy is and how the movies see it.) [...]

    ELSEWHERE in the WORLD « Cedar Creek Voice

    Jan. 1, 2010 19:36:pm

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  16. Saw it in the theater, watched it again last night (blu-ray, 106" projection/screen) and its still great disaster-porn; actually held up better than I thought. Sure there's no "science" and it's all effects; it's a popcorn movie people, relax and have fun with the mayhem! If people are contemplating suicide after watching 2012 than that's just natural selection at work.

    jeffreytz

    Mar. 3, 2010 10:17:am

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